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In 1981 there was a study done "The Hurt Report" of 3,600 motorcycle accidents in the LA California area. This study addressed Factors, Identification and Conclusions. Within the study there was no mention of loud pipes as a counter measure, but did show that "Chopper/semi chopper" motorcycles were over represented in the accidents. (Most Choppers have Loud Pipes) Majority of accidents were frontal, whereas the sound of a motorcycle is projected rearward and with Doppler sound compression M/C exhaust can not be heard. The average reaction time for an accident was 2 seconds; therefore cracking pipes to gain attention is false for the rider would not have enough time to react. (I’d try to stop before applying more throttle) Also almost 50% of all fatal M/C accidents are alcohol related by the rider. 73% of riders involved did not have proper or any eye protection. DOT Helmets save lives, safe riding saves lives, and high visibility saves lives. Obeying the law saves rights!
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I'm a retired Cop, loud bikes suck as much as their self centered ego lov'in riders.Is a body frome 93 polaris storm the same dimensions has a 98 indy 500?
I would respond to calls with lights and sirens blasting. I have had cars, trucks, motorcycles pull out in front of me and a pedestrian step in front of me. Thank GOD I had slowed for the intersection and had room to maneuver.
If people can't hear a siren they ain't gonna hear the rap of pipes.
(After Thought) If loud pipes are so good for safety, why doesn't Harley, the AMA and the Insurance Industry fight for them. The Insurance industry has given us Helmet Laws, seat belt laws, no cell phone laws, stricter DUI laws "which is good".
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Another point: The accident rate for car to car and car to motorcycle are about the same. Caused by one or both drivers with their heards up their butts.
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Nope Loud Pipes Invade Homes, Ruined Sleep (I worked the grave yard shift) and wakes up babies (lots of complaints on that one).
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loud pipes don;t save lives, they are just loud....whats the question.Location for motorcycle lessons in hamilton, ontario area?
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I'm not sure I fully buy into your premise here. I have more than once heard a cycle with a loud pipe before I saw it. Because they get up to speed to fast, that is why loud pipes save lives. We hear them a stay out of the way. I'm no fan of motorcycles... I got in a accident with one because they pulled out of a drive and got up to full speed without looking ahead. I was turning and they struck me. But with no witnesses, I was ticketed at fault. They also got a huge settlement from my insurance company and shot my rates up. But I totally understant the loud pipes concept and have heard it work. This doesn't mean it should excuse them from helmets and safe driving, of course.How do you assemble a motor bike?
If this was a question , I think you answered it yourself. Loud pipes bug the daylights out of everyone except the BikerWill there ever be an Automatic transmission motorcycle over 1500cc ?
Back in the '60's and '70's, I rode BSA, Triumph, and Norton motorcycles. They were all quite loud. I commuted in heavy freeway traffic. Never had a problem. In '84 I bought a Honda V65 Magna. Fast, but quiet. I lost count of how many doors, windows, and fenders I kicked in self defense as these morons tried to change into lanes that I occupied. A horn doesn't do much good when the idiot has the windows up, radio blasting or a cell phone in the ear.It is not easy to quantify accidents that don't happen, but almost anyone who has ridden quiet and loud bikes will tell you the same thing.
I need an atv EXPERT to answer this, not some cocky guy with a honda sayin i think its better?
Loud Pipes DON'T Save Lives. They actually limit the riders hearing of traffic. Heck, many bikers wear ear plugs to protect their ears and screw anyone else.Well... Can I ride a Motor Bike ?
Go to a rally or meet, at the Loud Pipe competition (good for the little egos) everyone is wearing ear protection.
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Loud pipes wake up babies, invade the homes of the non riders, make all motorcyclist look bad to the public.
I saw a sign once that said "Loud Pipes Violate Rights" That says it best!
If a person is too Chicken Sh*t to ride within the law. They should sell their bike and stay home.
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On three separate occasions last year, I had an automobile pull into my lane as I was appoarching to pass. Last year I rode a meek, mild and quiet Hyosung 250cc. This year I have not had that trouble. When appoarching to pass on my V-Star 1100 fitted with Vance & Hines pipes, I turn on my passing lamps and crack the throttle. The "bark" of the pipes captures the attention of even the must distracted driver. I have not had one single incident of someone pulling out in front of me because they were unaware that I was appoarching. All just a coincidence? I don't think so!John H brings up a good point. The 'loud pipes save lives' statement may not be proven in a rigorous scientific environment. This debate would indeed be very difficult to quantify.
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I do, however, believe that a loud bike can create an audible presence that could alert a driver of a bike in the vicinity. I used to have a ZX-11 with Muzzys. It would definitely wake the cat up a mile away at 3am, so my wife told me before I got home. My ZX-14 is very stealthy with factory pipes, unless I get on it. I might as well be invisible on that thing.
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So I believe there is some truth to the saying. Cage drivers are so preoccupied with tasks other than driving. A blast of exhaust noise could alert them to be cautious around a nearby motorcycle.
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Wouldn't a LEGAL horn work just as well to alert auto drivers?Where can i find fuses for pocket bikes?
In that case you would only be aggravating when you need to be aggravating.
Loud bikes suck but only a little less then Boomer cars. If loud pipes are saving lives, what is the excuse for f*rt muffer cars and red neck P/U trucks.
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If the Cops would drop their doughnuts we wouldn't have this problem.
I ride a stock, quiet, factory pipes Yamaha and am only alive because I ride like every car is going to pull out right in front of me like I do not exist. (It happens often). When I am riding with my buddy who has a loud Harley Heritage Soft Tail... I seldom have a problem.. You can hear us coming. Just the way it is...
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U answered with the Hurt. Other documentation is happening here. Statistically U would be the one collecting info by asking others like we the bikers. I would say that loud pipes bring attention. If it is to save ur life then that is the answer.give me a break, are Americans getting this STUPID?
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What you need an excuse to ride your stupid bike with no mufflers. OK if that's true then I will take the mufflers off my big block Camaro. when the stupid cops stop me because it's to loud.I can tell him I driving a safer car. Think they will buy that??Three Wheeler Trikes - how do they compare to the regular 2-wheel motorcycles for riding, etc?
Loud pipes do save lives. They have saved mine. Now I am not talking about the 1%'s that ride around on their choppers with no mufflers at all. but those of us who do OCCASIONALLY make a little noise to get the attention of the auto drivers who are talkin' on their cell phones, puttin' on make up, feeding themselves or scolding the kids. You don't see us doin' any of that. We are paying attention... actually making the roads safer for you! We have a right to defend ourselves somehow even if it's only a crude way of self defense. I like the mention of the horn.. but since most motorcycles horns aren't very loud would you prefer we got air-horns. They would be perfectly legal... and we'd be blasting them day and night every few seconds on highways, freeways, parking lots and residential areas. As for the legality of the loud pipes... those laws are biased... made up by the masses of cage drivers(the same ones who also often break the laws. loud pipes... BOOM boxes. We were certainly not invited to make a fair representation of the votes.. we are a small percentage of the population... didn't have a chance. Does that mean we should put our lives in jeopardy because you can't turn up your radio or TV? I hope some of you inconsiderate drivers get put up for manslaughter the next time you "didn't see or hear" the motorcycle. Enough of you already have. Keep up the selfish ignorance. Try showing some some respect for what you may not understand.Which bike is the fastest in the universe?
I don't know that there are actual 'facts and documentation.' But then too, I can get facts or documentation to show about anything - ie global warming/not warming. If someone believes it is safer, it is.Where can I find whitewalls for my 1974 Honda CB550?
Perhaps someone should just count the number of times a cage driver muttered the words, "I didn't see him."I don't need the bureaucratic BS to know that if just one driver took a second look because they "heard" the bike, it saved a life, or at least avoided a situation. Common Sense does not depend on facts and figures!
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of course that study wont admit it its against the law to change your pipes < read any motorcycle stock exhaust >from my experiance yes they do save lives . when im splitting lanes in traffic if cars get to close i rev a bit and then people know im there lets face it the horn on bikes is about useless if you have ever done any amount of time on a bike you too would knowHurt report is old and outdated - needs a revisit. BUT, I think that bright colors do more to save lives than loud pipes. People are not listening to what is going on around them - they are listening to the radio, the cell phone, and passengers much of the time. They are almost always LOOKING. I have noticed a huge reduction in near misses since I went from a British Racing Green bike to a bright red one.
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You're not going to find any documented evidence. All you are going to get is personal experiences. I have a friend that is in to ATVs. He told me that if you hit the trails with a stock exhaust, you'll get your head taken off by another ATV. Those guys need to be able to hear if another is coming over a hill.
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Well I don't know what it is that has made you so mad about this but, I will just give my input---I ride an 1100 Yamaha w/ aftermarket pipes and yes it is a little-well a lot louder then stock pipes and I will tell you that you are wrong --I don't know of any studies or anything but, I do know that having a little noise has saved my hide and my friends a couple of times--while I agree that some bikes are just plain ridiculous if not illegal -such as when the baffles are removed- loud pipes do a very good job of getting the attention of the "soccer moms" and others that are on their cell phones or reading or eating or.... really this list could go on for a long,long,long time!! I do agree that the notion of loud pipes being used as a type of "horn" or something to stop an accident from happening is silly at best! I also know from experience that the fact that people know that I am already in a lane before they want to put their car or truck in it helps ,so yes load pipes do save lives to an extent. Next time you are driving just look around and watch how people act or don't notice motorcycles on the road-you are correct that it is a privilege not a right to drive/ride and that applies to people in cars/trucks/SUV too!!Has any one installed chromed handlebar grips on a Honda CBR1100xx Blackbird? If so, HOW!!?
hmmm lets see, I dont know about any statistics but I will use common sense to answer this question. Lots of times it is hard to see a biker in your rear view mirror and the general public driving cars dont pay enough attention to the small bike by its side. I dont care which direction the noise is going, its still noise and you can hear it, I know I have. I appreciate knowing a biker is approaching or passing me because I myself have not been as alert as I should have been and I am a biker. I would rather hear the loud pipes than the rap music blaring from someones stereo system. I hear planes going over my home sometimes that make much worse noise, also big trucks. I'd rather hear the rumble of the pipes that are at least not burning up all our gas supplies than the hugh vehicles that are quite. When we have the Trail of Tears ride in Tennessee to Oklahoma, thousands of people line the roads just to listen to the rumble and feel the excitement. Different strokes for different folks. For me? IT TURNS ME ON.Does anyone know how to sync carbs on a 1994 suzuki 800 intruder?
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You are correct in that the sound from loud pipes is mainly behind the bike unless they are on narrow streets or in heavy traffic where the chamber effect can redirect the sound forward of the rider. If you are on an open highway and the bike is coming up from behind you cannot hear him until he is practically on top of you. You can't defy the laws of physics!!I have avoided more accidents from riding defensively than the noise(stock exhaust) my bike makes. I use to commute through Boston on my bike have been known to knock on a few windows to discuss your lack of courtesy to a biker plus to explain the rules of the road where only one vehicle can occupy the space in a lane.
Loud pipes are just for the bad boy image it has nothing to do with saving lives.
After my break in period on my bike I will get louder pipes as I always have ,To many times as Im driving My cage does a bike with no sound come up on me and I dont even know hes around and all times that the pipes are a bit louder do I know their presence ,Now some pipes with the baffle out are to the exstreme but sitting in traffic I always know if a motorcycle is around when I hear it ,Can some one prove they save lifes ? I dont know but I believe they have saved mine /peace
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I'm getting a freakin headache !!!!!!!!!!... By the way some motorcycle rider deaths have been attributed to the rider wearing a helmet. Seems that there are times where the weight of the helmet and it's forward inertia when on your head will break a persons neck when the forward motion of the rider is suddenly stopped in some accident situations. Moral of the story it may save you, it may kill you. By the way did the "HURT REPORT" address when the rider of a motorcycle is traveling adjacent to an automobile, perhaps in the drivers blind spot? Defensive driving may save a motorcycle rider from an accident with another vehicle when the other vehicle is ahead of the motorcycle. Defensive driving isn't going to do much for you when your adjacent to a automobile and that driver decides he's going to change lanes because he don't see you. I'll keep my semi-obnoxiously loud pipes. Thank you very much!I am not writing to take sides, but your argument is flawed. You are using a 26 year old report as a reference. You yourself say "there was no mention of loud pipes as a countermeasure". The "choppers" that were studied during that time period were the originals, not the mass produced HD clones of today. Most of them had mufflers. While the Doppler effect is real, all who reference it conveniently leave out one factor in the overall equation. The speed of sound. If you really wish to convince anyone you must come up with something new, instead of repeating the old, flawed mantra.
A couple of my "almosts" were from dirtbags who deliberately tried to bump me off. I imagine that if I had loud pipes, more people would hear me coming and therefore more dirtbags would deliberately try to bump me off. Los Angeles, here.
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