M4 crash the blame game?

Question:
Just seen the interview with a survivor of the crash, as a bus driver myself it does seem to be driver error but does the company hold any blame because of certain practices within the industry.

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Bus companies are at pains to tell drivers not to speed , there are notices at all depots to this effect, it is taken very seriously.

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Junior managers supervisors etc tend to use euphemisms for "put your foot down"
i.e.- you'll be alright, you'll make it back on time or push on a bit so if anything goes wrong they can say that they did not tell the driver to go faster.

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Also arriving late invariably involves passenger complaints.

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Older and more experienced drivers ignore this and take the correct amount of time for the journey.

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But younger or less knowledgeable drivers can feel pressurised to speed.

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The management is aware of this happening, but when challenged just point out company policy.

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As I said it looks like driver error but what are your views

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I wasn't there, so at the moment I don't know enough to comment.

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I would say, though, that I have a good friend who's a coach driver and he tells me frequently that they are "expected" to make up time, though no-one actually tells them to put their foot down - not in so many words, anyway. He doesn't, on the principal he's responsible for his passengers, and says if they don't like it they can try to sack him - but he'd like to see their reason brought up in a tribunal!

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Its always the poor sod at the sharp end who gets the blame.

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When something bad like this happens, the management will always blame the workers below them.
It is easier for them to sack someone, than be sued.

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Accidents happen simple as that.

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Ultimately the driver has to take responsibility for the passengers in his care, whether under pressure or otherwise. Innocent fare paying passengers have a right and expectation for the driver and the coach company to put their safety ahead of anything else.

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So yes, simply driver error, the company whether partly responsible or not will always hide behind their written policies.

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In my opinion this has been waiting to happen for a long time, I drive for a living and in the league table of irresponsibly driven vehicles then I would put National Express coaches near the top not far behind white Astra vans.

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Everyone is responsible for the speed they drive at! Simple fact in the eyes of the law, we may well feel different about it but at the end of the day the report goes in to the crown office and its up to them to either give a warning, prosecute or ignore. In this case due to the sad loss of life they have no option but to take it through the courts. Excess speed = blame!

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I am in no way an angel on the road 255bhp car and use it! So if caught then yes it is my own fault.

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Double Decker coaches should be banned unless they can carry their passengers without luggage in the hold.
Their height and road width trying to oppose a centrifugal force of varying proportions defies belief.
60 mph on a 60 degree bend tests it further.
At the point of balance any increase in wind speed (gusts) could tip it. Profit versus safety never ends.
Thousands were killed making matches years ago for the same reason. It was called Phossy Jaw.
It's in the full Oxford Dictionary.

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If the driver wasn't driving safely, then obviously he's responsible for his own action.
The company should also be held to account, as they are responsible for employing him and should be very sure of all their drivers.
Bosses are often slippery and will slide out of trouble, but in all businesses they look the other way when safety is compromised to get the job done quicker.
Rule one: The boss is always wrong.
Its up to him to make things work properly.
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